Vertically Stacked Partitions

On several occasions I've had a new Revit user "discover" Revit's vertically stacked partitions. They usually think this is the quick and painless answer to all their problems with exterior walls; changes in materials, water tables, etc... I usually then have to patiently explain why, even though they are conceptually a good idea, vertically stacked walls are in fact the devil incarnate (per our Autodesk Revit contacts) and that in the long run these wall types tend to cause more problems then they help solve. Though I have been told they are perfectly good and useful at an early conceptual phase.

However, I have to admit that just the other day I had an inspiration for where vertically stacked walls could in fact be very useful (though I don't make any promises because I haven't been able to use this theory yet). The idea cam up because a user was scheduling material quantities and I pointed out that numbers for GWB can be a bit hazy because of the way Revit typically handles both interior & exterior walls, and quite often there is alot more GWB in your model then the contractor will actually build.


It was then that I realized that we could use a vertically stacked partition for an interior wall where the GWB needs to only go up the ceiling (or just a little past). The image to the right shows my example. The left most wall is a typical partition with GWB on both sides of a mtl stud. In this case it goes all the way to the bottom of the floor system above. The wall in the middle is just metal studs, and the wall on the right is a vertically stacked wall type composed of the two walls to the left. In this cas the vertically stacked partition is named "Inteiror Stacked Wall - 8' Ceiling", the GWB partition is set to a fixed height of 8'- 6" so that there is a GWB overrun above the ceiling height. The metal stud partition is set as variable so that in section the structure appears to go all the way to the floor system above.

In a situation like this you would have to have a Vertically Stacked wall type for each ceiling height condition you have, however typcially a partition like this would be used in offices with no privacy concerns or light commerical; where you probably won't have very much ceiling varation. What is also nice is that even if you have multiple stacked wall types (for different ceiling heights), as long as you use the same basic wall type ot build it; in plan they will all tag the same!

Mapping a Facade

So far in a number of our projects, we find that conceptual and early schematic design usually involves still using 2D cad to either explore design options, or because the staff doesn't have the Revit experience yet (and may never :) ). We recently ran through an exercise on a project in that situation that I thought was useful.

This project had the elevations drawn in ACAD, by the designer (base on Revit elevations).

Under closer inspection, the elevation can be broken down into 4 seperate zones.

We can then figure out how we think we might model these 4 zones in revit, essentially planning and to a certain extent desiging the wall system(s).

Metal Panel

Here we planned on a dual system. The primary wall is supposed to be metal panel (grey) with stud backup. To acheive this, curtain wall will be used with a thin mullion recessed to create the joint lines. Behind the C.W. system will be a basic wall with; insultation, sheathing, studs, interior finish.

Nested in the metal panel C.W. as a panel will be another C.W. with glazed (L. Blue), spandrel (D. Blue), and custom louver (yellow) panels.

Openings will have to be cut in the stud back up wall, and custom mullions will need to be used on the nested C.W. for where the glazed portions occur.

Custom mullions must be used on the nested curtain wall, otherwise it is not possible to offset the storefont mullions correctly from the metal panel "mullions". This is a known issue that Autodesk is working on. The openings in the stud back-up wall are going to be created with custom window families.

Store Front in Brick

Here we move into a more typical basic wall type. However even though the first reaction might be to make one single wall from ground to roof, we have found that it is typically easier to break walls up into seperate parts. In this case the horizontal lines represent where the wall is going to be broken up. Starting from the top there will be a "parapet" wall type, next will be a "mid level" wall type, and last will be the "lower level" wall type. There are several good reasons for doing this.

a) expeience has shown that in many cases walls that span multiple levels cause more problems then they solve due to wall join conditions (specically single level walls intersecting near to each other at different levels)

b) the lower level wall can include the base/water table as an integral sweep or split layer. Split layers are preferable, as the bottom can be un-locked, allowing the base level to be the first floor, but the base can easily be extended down for changes in grade, etc.

c) the parapet wall is really a different construction from your typical wall construction. If you really wanted to take this a step further, there would be another wall type for above the ceiling line. This wall type would might not include an interior finish, etc.

The storefront (yellow) is identical to the storefront that is nested in the metal panel, so the same pieces will be used here as well. In fact the embedded storefront can be grouped, making it very easy to quickly copy (and modify) the storefront down the length of the building. As a group, if you modify one (adjust mullion location, panel type, etc) they'll all change!

The next piece is the header (in green), this wil probably be a custom wall hosted family of some type, that gets inserted into the wall.

The last, and trickiest piece is the area in magneta. This is three columns of stacked bond brick, with each row recessed. We're not sure yet if this will be done with wall types, or a custom family of sometype. We'll have to see what seems to work best.

Curtain Wall

Not much to say here, except that some of the same pieces used in the storefront systems will be used here.

Brick Wall with punched windows

This wall will follow the same strategies as the other brick wall. Except the punched windows will either be an embedded C.W. system or actual window families. Depends on how the team wants to schedule the units. The only difference is that there will need to be additional pieces of brick wall recessed with the windows, the walls will be split at the floor level similar to the primary brick wall pieces.

I hope you find this helpful. This is a worthwhile exercise even if the whole team knows Revit, and the project is already started. It doesn't take very long either, in this case we came up with this in 30-45 mins over the phone, with screen sharing.

The exercise helps to establish what wall types need to be created, custom families required, and exposes problems that might come up. I have typically found that often times, if Revit is having a problem with constructing a condition, then it is probably a condition where you as the architect will need to pay attention to the detailing. Even in this case there are a couple of conditions where the team doesn't know exactly what they're going to do, but some ideas have already been developed.

Look for another posting next week, and thanks for reading!

-R

p.s. wanted to call attention to a great post here at: Revit in Plain English